tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post3215531010286168221..comments2024-03-24T08:30:43.258+01:00Comments on FLY HIGH!: UK JULY 2011 - ON THE FOOTSTEPS OF RICHARD IIIMaria Graziahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08876779286144473782noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-81229405680662402082011-07-25T08:18:23.786+02:002011-07-25T08:18:23.786+02:00i've read Anya seton's books and simply fe...i've read Anya seton's books and simply fell in love with them. I remember she descriving the pine needles on the floor. So precise, so romantic, so truly engaging. I've also read Green darkness and it was another relaxing reading.maribeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01559927224289036163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-77056088120035572262011-07-24T13:51:49.401+02:002011-07-24T13:51:49.401+02:00Ohhhh... Katherine! I've read it when I was a ...Ohhhh... Katherine! I've read it when I was a teen - eons ago! - and enjoyed very much! The Angélique series was over and I was craving for another good read: it's time to re-discover it?<br />K/VAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-46505781543010836662011-07-24T10:04:26.450+02:002011-07-24T10:04:26.450+02:00@fitzg
I too live in hope Richard's Ricardian ...@fitzg<br />I too live in hope Richard's Ricardian series will come true one day, even if we have to see him as Warwick. <br />Thanks for your recommendation, I'm really interested in English History, but know very little about the Middle Ages and the Plantagenets. I'll add Katherine to my wish list.Maria Graziahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08876779286144473782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-80943094391246290522011-07-24T04:02:01.038+02:002011-07-24T04:02:01.038+02:00It is a lovely historical novel - on a par with th...It is a lovely historical novel - on a par with the best! I hope that Mr. Armitage eventually gets funding to produce a more objective version of Richard than that of Shakespeare. :)<br /><br />It's not of the Wars of the Roses era, but Anya Seton's Katherine is highly recommended. A century earlier, in the time of Edward III and Richard II. <br /><br />fitzgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-41501593796764555982011-07-23T15:18:13.948+02:002011-07-23T15:18:13.948+02:00The Sunne In Splendour is one of the most beautifu...The Sunne In Splendour is one of the most beautiful books that I have ever read. And I have to thank MG for that. We will never know the real truth about Richard and the Princes in the Tower but the negative "press" that Shakespeare and his followers raised against him, mainly based on Thomas Moore's accounst who was clearly on the Tudors' side, does not inspire me much trust. Also as I been living in York for quite a while, I cannot avoid being a bit bias, but whatever the truth lies, it is a very compelling and fascinating period of history...Thanks MG for you beautiful photos and for your insight in all of this. Thanks, maribea and fitzg too for your input. It is very interesting to read diffenett opinions. And K/V, I'm rushing to read LG's adventures righ now! Ciao! A.xlunarossahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15231055955991137579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-50563713539359050072011-07-23T13:26:23.960+02:002011-07-23T13:26:23.960+02:00Wonderful memories of a wonderful (though too shor...Wonderful memories of a wonderful (though too short) trip, MG!<br />Even LG is become a Richard III follower! See his adventures at: http://armitage-daily.livejournal.com/249037.html<br /><br />Have a lovely w-e, everyone,<br />xx K/VAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-2675520428125073702011-07-23T08:17:30.365+02:002011-07-23T08:17:30.365+02:00@fitzg and @mariagrazia: thanks for your posts. I ...@fitzg and @mariagrazia: thanks for your posts. I will put The sunne in splendour in my wish list. As far as doubts about Richard are concerned, I think they will stay as they are...but it is normal: imagine how many doubts and unanswered questions we have concerning recent episodes...<br />I've been in York once myself and I was fascinated by the severe beauty of the town..and there was a concert in the cathedral. Wonderful!maribeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01559927224289036163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-85770291090365335512011-07-23T03:05:14.081+02:002011-07-23T03:05:14.081+02:00How lovely that you were able to visit York! And t...How lovely that you were able to visit York! And that you shared your experience.<br /><br />I do share Maribea's doubts about Richard. Though The Daughter of Time had a profound influence when I was 14. And I am a Richard III supporter. There are so many reasons for not accepting the Tudor version of history. On the other hand, as a history and English lit grad, with now decades of reading (secondary source) mediaeval history, I have an open mind about the verdict. It is exceptionally difficult to put ourselves into the cultural mind of another era. And contemporary mediaeval documentation has too many missing documents. <br /><br />Richard was an extremely competent administrator and loyalty to his brother was intense. But - it was a different time, and a time of civil war. I could go on, but this already too long. <br /><br />Open mind, with a very strong bias toward Richard and a great respect for him as the lord of North, amid all the family tragedies he faced.<br /><br />Ah York! The lovely mediaeval city and the Minster! Thanks for the reminiscence, Maria Grazia. (Now ignore my pomposity - the Sunne in Splendour is a splendid historical novel and very well researched - love it!) <br /><br />fitzgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-50378487325840685922011-07-22T21:18:45.122+02:002011-07-22T21:18:45.122+02:00@Maribea
You should read the many essays written b...@Maribea<br />You should read the many essays written by historians and based on documents suggested by the Ricardian Society (http://www.richardiii.net/). Then, Tey's The Daughter of Time and finally, Sharon Kay Penman's The Sunne in Splendour. Ms Penman spent 12 years of her life researching on Richard and writing The Sunne.Maria Graziahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08876779286144473782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-49036642340680173902011-07-22T15:00:22.566+02:002011-07-22T15:00:22.566+02:00As far as the little children are concerned, Grego...As far as the little children are concerned, Gregory doesn't think they were killed by Richard. I don't know. My doubt is only this. They were made illegitimate, it is true. But they were boys and if they grew up, there was always the chance that somebody decided to support their cause against the cause of Richard's and his heir. So, as history teaches us, ending your enemy's line is always the best choice. I'm just speculating. Nothing more. Of course!maribeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01559927224289036163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-32505850183417960062011-07-22T14:56:04.710+02:002011-07-22T14:56:04.710+02:00@Mariagrazia: I think it hard to be sure about any...@Mariagrazia: I think it hard to be sure about any controversial historical figure because we hardly have written documents and if we have it is difficult to compare them. Moreover, the War of roses was a period of brothers against brothers, families against family. Who's the bad guy and who's the good guy during a civil war? However, I'm not an expert about Richard. I've only read Shakespeare and The white queen by P. Gregory. Of course, it seems she had quite a different idea about Richard than the author of the book you read. I got interested in this period very much and I want to read more and more. As soon as I have time I will look for some good reading by an historian who's an expert of that period. Do you have some title in mind? I love Antonia Fraser and I'm planning of reading her book on Marie Antoniette after the one about LOuis XIV. I've seen that David Loades is a great Tudor expert, but I don't remember if he's written something about the War of roses, too. I'm always happy when I'm given good reading (and not only) advice.maribeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01559927224289036163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-40250720417880335462011-07-22T14:08:09.725+02:002011-07-22T14:08:09.725+02:00@lunarossa
You were the kindest, loveliest, most g...@lunarossa<br />You were the kindest, loveliest, most generous guide I have ever had! Hugs. :-)Maria Graziahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08876779286144473782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-11861976936141406682011-07-22T14:07:03.371+02:002011-07-22T14:07:03.371+02:00@Maribea
I can't agree with you, I'm afrai...@Maribea<br />I can't agree with you, I'm afraid. Richard was always loyal to his friend Edward, the king. He didn't need to kill his nephews then, since they had just been declared illegitimate. But ... too long to explain in a comment. Have you read The Sunne in Splendour? Time to do it.Maria Graziahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08876779286144473782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-46930878471137985902011-07-22T08:31:49.849+02:002011-07-22T08:31:49.849+02:00@lunarossa: I'm sure you were a great guide, i...@lunarossa: I'm sure you were a great guide, instead and that Maria Grazia and her friends loved having a friend to meet in the North. As far as Richard is concerned, it is so difficult to name a hero or a devil when thinking about such years as those during which they lived. The War of Roses, continuous battles and violence and hunger for more and more power. I think he didn't kill his nephews himself, but he was very happy he was alone in the line to the throne. Moreover, he was a brother fighting against his brother Edward and this is something I always find it difficult to cope with even though history and everyday life tell us that it is so common. How difficult to come to know who historical figures were. We have to rely upon documents written by their enemies or we have no written documents at all. But fields and castles and ruins...they speak to our heart!!!maribeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01559927224289036163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5114395886235179043.post-45535025088583063002011-07-22T02:08:34.013+02:002011-07-22T02:08:34.013+02:00What a lovely and interesting account of your &quo...What a lovely and interesting account of your "Ricardian Trail"! Great pictures too. And thanks for metioning me again...I'm very humbled, especially because I wasn't such a great guide. Anyway, as you know I really enjoy meeting you and your friends. Ciao. A.xlunarossahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15231055955991137579noreply@blogger.com